Banking on Digital Growth
Banking on Digital Growth

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101) #ExponentialInsights - Digital Training for Employees: Bringing Focus to the Customer Experience w/ John Findlay

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

While the COVID-19 Pandemic has encouraged the transition to digital, many still struggle to fully comprehend its importance and how to integrate it. Oversight can lead to employees unsure of how to use new technologies, resulting in a poor customer experience.

John Findlay, CEO of LemonadeLXP, joins the show to discuss the digital transformation and how companies can embrace the change and benefit.

What was talked about:

- Giving Equal Focus to New Technologies & People

- Educating Internal Teams to Improve the Customer Experience

- The Dos and Don’ts of Employee Training

- Why Attention to the Customer Experience is on the Rise

- Financial Education for the Masses

- Key Takeaways for the Listener

Check out the resources below for more information:

- John’s LinkedIn

- JFindlay@LemonadeLXP.com

 To hear more interviews like this one, subscribe to Banking On Digital Growth on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your preferred podcast platform.  

...if the employee is trained and understands the tech, they're going to give a better experience to the customer and then if we give the proper digital support tools that customer is going to have a better experience in learning and understanding the tech. Mhm mm. Yeah, You're listening to banking on digital growth. With James Robert lay a podcast that empowers financial brand marketing, sales and leadership teams to maximize their digital growth potential by generating 10 times more loans and deposits. Today's episode is part of the exponential insight series where James robert interviews the industry's top marketing sales and fintech leaders sharing practical wisdom to exponentially elevate you and your team. Let's get into the show greetings and hello I am James robert ley and welcome to the 101st episode of the banking on digital growth podcast. Today's episode is part of the exponential insight series and I'm excited to welcome john Finlay to the show, john is the ceo of eliminate L. X. P. A. Learning experience platform that helps financial brands with the human side of digital transformation, eliminate drives customer adoption out of financial brands through technology by transforming frontline staff and customers into digital experts. Welcome to the show, john thanks James robert, I really appreciate you having me, john this is gonna be fun because this is a topic that I'm really personally passionate about digital transformation human transformation for that matter before we get there. What are you excited about right now? One thing personally or professionally it's your pick. Well I'm always excited about a lot of things personally, I got a lot of hobbies, music, sports, all that kind of stuff and big tennis player. So I'm really excited about this summer tennis season. But on the professional side, you know, I'm really excited about this opportunity that's in front of us that the pandemics kind of forced this rapid acceleration of digital transformation for financial institutions and for other businesses for that matter. But it puts in front of us the opportunity to push this along at a much faster rate than we were able to before. And for us as a business, I feel we're really well positioned to help F. I. S. Drive that transformation among staff and a bunch of customers or members. So I'm really excited about the opportunity to help accelerate that and nail the customer. Remember experience through transformation. Absolutely. And you talk about this idea of experience and when I think about experience, I think about three key experiences. I think about the employee experience because a positive employee experience will then yield a positive Hx or a positive human...

...experience and that positive human experience can be delivered then through a positive digital experience. So E X plus Hx plus D. X equals growth. Now you believe fintech adoption or just tech adoption for that matter is about people Not technology. I agree with you. The focus has been too far too long on technology and not on people. And that's one reason 60-85% of all digital transformation projects fail. They don't fail because the technology they felt because of people and people feeling confused and frustrated and overwhelmed by the technology, especially in financial services. So why why is that why do you believe Fintech adoption and technology for that matter is not about people but is about people but not about technology. Yeah, that's a great question. Here's the analogy I'd make to me Digital transformation. Digital adoption is a bit like a four x 100 relay and most often you'll see organizations make their big investments on the front part of the leg so they'll have a lot of effort put into the first leg which is planning and choosing a vendor or starting the development. Then there's putting a ton effort into the development side of it and then turning a putting effort into the marketing side. So little effort is left for that final leg, That's usually the fastest sprinter on the track that wants to bring that thing home and if you don't have a good final person, final athlete on that leg, then all of the efforts before are going to fail. And that final leg is the human side and it's not just about like marketing is part, but a big part of it is training your front line and the people who are going to help drive adoption of that tech, they need to be fluent, they need to understand the tech deeply so that they can both promote and support it. And that's a tricky thing to do, especially with sort of old fashioned learning systems that don't have digital tools baked in, so they're not tooled correctly for the job. So if you don't educate that front line staff because they're going to be the ambassador's, especially in the world of financial institutions, a lot of frontline staff don't actually have to bank with their employer. So they never use the tech. They don't understand the tech as if they're going to promote it less the question that customer ask them a question they can't answer and they become embarrassed. So they have to touch and feel the technology and the way to do that is give them a risk free environment with things like technology simulators and demos allow them to understand it. So they become the ambassadors for that technology so they can promote it to customers or members and they can support it. And to me that's the 1st 30 m of the last 100. But then the next piece is how do you support customers? Like there's an aversion to changing how you do your banking. There's an aversion to changing anyway that you interact with...

...the company even outside of banking. If you want me to fill out my insurance application online, people get worried about using tech. There's an anxiety and a concern of trying something new. They don't want to make mistakes. Also they have an aversion to change. So again we need to give them an opportunity to test drive the tech in an environment that has no risk and you mentioned the employee experience often forgotten, but if the employee is trained and understands the tech, they're going to give a better experience to the customer. And then if we give the proper digital support tools, that customer is going to have a better experience in learning and understanding the tech, and ultimately, that will lead to a better digital experience. As you talked about the analogy, I'd give on that one, I'm sure you've all had the experience of being tech, support for your parents, They call you up, they can't figure out how to do something on the computer there already frustrated because they haven't been able to do whatever they're trying to do. So they're asking you to help them, you can't see their screen, they can't understand why you can't explain to them. So you're starting to get a little frustrated, they're already frustrated. Next thing, you know, that's a pretty crappy customer experience. And so I think we need to give our frontline the tools that they need to get on the same page with the customer or the member as quickly as possible so that you take the frustration and anxiety out of that interaction and make it easy and smooth for the customer who ultimately this is all about. You're right and I agree with you and that's a great analogy of the relay and running out of gas right at the very end because we don't have the strength to bring it home on the human experience side of things. All the focus has been on technology, but then it becomes time to deploy that through humanity and we burn out. We get tired and there's a lot of human behavior here. And you know, I can't help but think of my old days of working in retail. I worked at Old Navy and I was one of the very first hires when Old Navy came into the Houston market and we grew the number one selling Old Navy in the entire country at the store that I was, it was the second round of hires and we did a lot of cells training for other Old Navy's they opened up. But it's almost like if you're not banking at your financial brand where you're you're working number one, that's that's creating a blind spot because you're not able to touch see experience the digital products and then two, it's like working at Old Navy but wearing a bra Crombie, you know, it's there's there's almost a brand misalignment in the mind because we are viewing things just a little bit differently from the perception that we bring to the world. And you recently shared an article from the financial brand about online and mobile banking adoption. They showed that 59% of people who still use the branch they do so because they think it's easier and that the digital tools...

...are too hard. But once again it's about behavior modification and a behavior modification opportunity for financial brands. So what are those opportunities here, number one to begin by educating and empowering internal teams So that number two, they can educate and empower account holders to bank even better because I mean, let's be real, how simple is it really to drive to a branch to conduct a commoditize transaction when it could be done literally in seconds on a mobile device? Everyone wins that way. You make me think of a lot of things. There one is imagine if if we could start fresh and there was no history of banking and so we said to someone, you have a choice, you can go into a branch to do your stuff or you can use this digital tool. I think the vast majority of people would choose the digital tool. So what it's really about is it's about breaking old habits and I think we know those die hard. So I think we have to ask ourselves the people who aren't using our text. So Covid is driven accelerated transformation anywhere from 3 to 10 years, people are saying, but there's still a good chunk of people who aren't using our digital platforms to do their banking. So you ask yourself, where are those people? Well, those people are coming into our branches and they're calling our contact centers. So spending, doing a big media splash on national advertising doesn't make any sense. Most of those people are your customers and the ones who are a good chunk of them are already using digital. So the best place to reach, the people who aren't using it is through your front line staff. That is the number one way. And it's the human touch, a little bit of hand holding to come to get over that sort of adoption of version that people have. So I think the huge opportunity and challenge is to make sure that that front line staff is as comfortable as possible and as well versed in also the soft skills of how to elegantly make a product recommendation without seeming sales e and guide that customer who came into the branch to do a transaction or who called the contact center because they weren't sure how to do something. Can we give our frontline, the soft skills they need and the hard skills, the product knowledge, the ability to use those products so that that confluence of product knowledge and soft skills allows them to give a really smooth and seamless customer, remember experience and guide them towards digital product. I think that's the biggest opportunity and I think the biggest failure point is not doing that with your front line because then there's the customer who comes into and let's say they just wanted to deposit some checks, what a tremendous opportunity to say to them, you know, how easy that would have been...

...with our mobile app and you wouldn't have even had to stand in line so and so forth for every customer that comes in and reaches an untrained frontline staff. That's a missed conversion opportunity and with all the money that we've invested in bringing digital and digitizing the services that we offer to customers. What a shame to drop the baton at the last 100 m with that front line staff who could have just said, oh wow, let me show you how easy this is, right? So I think that's really the biggest opportunity, but also the biggest failure point. You know, it's interesting you talk about this idea of someone coming in and we're missing the opportunity to educate, to empower, to elevate very, very practical, like that has to be built into the culture even because I think historically speaking financial services has been in a very reactive state. People come in, they ask us to do something and we oblige them. We now need to take a proactive stance in their life and make the recommendations to step up because to help the unaware become aware and so almost very practically speaking, you know, someone comes in with a check, we get out the mobile device, we set that up, we show them how to do, it's going to take a little bit longer. Absolutely, it's gonna take a little bit longer for that one experience, but the overall positivity because what is an experience? Experiences are well defined systems and processes that have been strategically thought out applied and optimize over a period of time, resulting in one of two things a positive or a negative emotion. And so we're number one, we need to ask permission. Do you mind if I show you that there's an even better way that we can go about conducting this and that one word right there even is a psychological hack because otherwise, if you say, can I show you a better way, what do you mean I'm doing this wrong? So there's even better is is already transforming this from a positive conversation or into a positive conversation and then we actually just guide them and walk them through and wow, that wasn't so scary. That wasn't so bad. That was actually quite easy. And it's just these small micro winds that need to be reinforced instead of this massive transformation because change is hard and we've already been going through massive change this last, you know, 15, 18 months, but it's the small ideas of helping here that I see the really big opportunity. So what are the deuce, what are the don't when it comes to training and education first, internally that can then be deployed externally. What are some of those dues and don't that financial brands should think about and consider listening today. Okay, so I'm gonna work it in sort of one by one. So the first don't, I would say is a lot of financial institutions have legacy learning systems that are not that new and...

...they're learning experience is not very interactive and it has a bad reputation amongst their employees, we hear it all the time. So if you are one of those F. I. S. That has sort of an older learning management system that delivers static experiences, don't lean on that for your digital training. That's the first thing I would say, because already employees have an aversion to using it, you don't need two versions, an aversion to the tech and an aversion to learning about and you're really stuck. So I think the first thing is you need to look for a more modern solution that's tooled properly. So in terms of what to do, I think so, for example, when you're trying to teach someone about your new technology, there's a few different things that you have to teach them first. You have to give them foundational knowledge and that's the stuff like one of the daily limits and what are the rules and procedures that you have to for using the tech and so forth. That's pretty dry stuff, which typically would be delivered in sort of a pdf format. People would read it, tick a box, say they read it, not really understand it. You didn't succeed. That stuff is where we would use a game based learning approach because it turns that boring stuff into something that's kind of fun. And if you do it right, they'll play multiple times and they'll drive that information into their brains and you'll get the retention needed so that they can handle those, those questions from customers remembers. So that's the first one. The second do is you need to create walk throughs of your technology so people can test drive it in a risk free environment, especially for those front liners who aren't your customers, they can't be expected to promote and support tech they've never used and you're not going to have them sign up to a live app, it's not going to make sense. Stuff isn't gonna work if they don't have money in their account, the ability to do these transactions. So you need a simulated environment and that's going to take away their anxiety because there's no risk, doesn't matter if I mess up, who cares? But they'll get familiar with that tech. So foundation game based learning for foundational knowledge, then you've let them test drive the tech. The next thing is you need to find a way for them to practice recommending it to customers in a risk free environment. We use interactive role play experiences that allow, it's sort of like a virtual experience for the customer coming in, the challenge, the the frontline staff to give the best possible customer experience. It makes it fun, it makes it pressure free. And so those to me are some crucial dues. I think the don't don't rely on static text based experiences. You're talking about something as digital and fundamentally interactive. You're learning has to has to mirror that it can't be read about this and be expected to support it. The other thing I think is you have to understand too, that your front line staff are in sort of high anxiety situations frequently where customers are asking them questions, they're expected to respond...

...and think about it through the pandemic where many of them were sent home. I'm working from home. They don't have the shoulder to shoulder colleagues support they once enjoyed so they can't just turn to somebody and go, hey, how do you do this? So now when somebody calls with questions about your tech, their anxiety is even higher. So you need to give them tools that they can access on demand. When a customer says, how do I do this? And that's where the technology walk throughs can be used as part of your training, but they can also be used for supporting that front line in live environments on demand. Hey, I don't know how to send a transfer to my kid in college. No problem. Let me pull and just go and pull up a simulator and go what screening is specifically having trouble with, click on it? Get to the right screen, walk them through that transaction distress the situation for both parties. So to me, the ability to test drive the tech is a huge, huge do like it's, it's to me one of the most important I think another don't is forgetting about the employee experience. You mentioned it earlier, James robert and you're one of the very few people who I hear talking about the employee experience. You hear a lot about customer experience, my feeling about being an employer, because I am one is that we are as much a service to our employees as we are an employer. We're providing a service to them as well, and that services to help them be as good at their jobs and make their jobs as stress free and happy as we can. And so investing a little bit in making sure that your digital training is a positive experience for your staff instead of oh God, I didn't do the training again, like that's the least we can do when we're asking them to help us take a huge step in our digital transformation journey. One that by the way, many staff are feeling like might even replace them in their jobs. So I think you have to be mindful of all of the things, the stressors that are going on for your front line staff and make sure that your training addresses the stress of having to support new tech, make the experience fun, make it a little more digestible to learn the boring stuff, but also make them realize that as a digital savvy front liner, you're more valuable to the financial institution than the one who isn't. And so make everybody under make the experience as positive as possible for employees. And it will translate into an amazing experience for your customers and members. Technology has transformed our world and digital has changed the way consumers shop for and buy financial services forever. Now consumers make purchase decisions long before they walk into a branch, if they walk into a branch at all, but your financial brand still wants to grow loans and deposits, we get it. Digital growth can feel confusing, frustrating...

...and overwhelming for any financial brand, marketing and sales leader. But it doesn't have to because James robert wrote the book that guides you every step of the way along your digital growth journey, visit www dot digital growth dot com to get a preview of his best selling book banking on digital growth Or order a copy right now for you and your team from Amazon inside you'll find a strategic marketing manifesto that was written to transform financial brands and it is packed full of practical and proven insights you can start using today to confidently generate 10 times more loans and deposits. Now back to the show. Mhm I have been talking a lot, a lot, a lot about E. X. Or employee experience confession. I missed the mark when writing banking on digital growth because my formulaic approach was D. X. Plus H. X. Equals growth meaning digital experience plus human experience equals growth. It became very clear and evident to me with covid that we needed to reformulate that equation to include employee experience because to me that's where the light bulb went off. I I kept hearing from from internal team members when doing surveys and assessments that financial brands specifically. When it comes to technology rollouts like those technology role like they're the last people to know decisions are being made at the executive level. And oh by the way next week we're launching this new technology and it could be an app. It could be remote deposit capture what not. It could just be a new process or new system. And so the technology changes have been coming fast and the medium I think you know Marshall McLuhan from your neck of the woods back in the 1960s was writing about how the medium is the message. The medium in which we communicate is actually more powerful than the messages of which we communicate through them. And you're right. So doing digital training via a pdf is not conveying or signaling the appropriate message to the ideal audience. In this particular case, internal team members or I've seen it as well. Financial brand launches some new technology and then they send out an email and they click to download the pdf and there's really a cognitive disconnect with that. The other thing that I'm thinking about here is empathy. Everyone learns at a different pace. Everyone learns in a different way. And when you can hit all the different learning modes through, we'll call it an optimized LMS. One that is really made for digital first delivery. Then we can really lean in on the perspective of E. Q. Plus A. Q. Is greater than I. Q. Emotional intelligence plus adaptability is far greater than just intelligence alone. So my question for you here and I see this, I hear this when it comes to...

...training, when it comes to education for financial brands, why is this one of the very first things to get cut are not even considered at all. When I truly believe in this digital world of exponential change. Training and education is a competitive advantage for a financial brand. But why is that why do you see training education not getting the attention that it needs to have going forward in this post? Covid digital world? I think that that is changing a little bit and I think it's changing because for the first time really in their history, banks are being pushed by non bank competitors and there's a risk now that before, whatever, if if the customer experience isn't that great, I mean, the worst thing is I might lose a few customers to the, to the other financial institution down the block, but now I'm gonna lose them to the local grocery store and I'm going to lose our, the national grocery store, I'm going to lose them to Apple to Paypal, to you, name it. Right? So I think a 1000 cuts. Yeah, exactly, that's it. So I think we're seeing f i is look and go, you know what, we do actually have to focus on our customer, Remember experience. I think banks even have to start looking at how credit unions operate in their sort of member first approach and delivering that through human beings and through great experiences. And so, yep, training has been one of those things that gets cut, but I think that might be changing a little bit, but I think it largely was cut because quite frankly, historically, once you have a customer, you've got him for life and I think now losing a customer isn't, it's not a, oh, I'm choosing to change banks, I'm going to take all my stuff and go to a new bank. Uh it's oh I downloaded the Apple Pay thing on my phone and next thing you know, you're using Apple Pay and I was like, well, did you know this credit cards easier at all? Uh and it's a gradual erosion of that customer as they started with one financial institution than their part with one and part with the next. And if you're not adding value to that experience, the next guy's going to gradually take that customer from you. And so that's where I think it's going to change. And these behaviors that you're talking about, you know, really through digital transformation that leads to digital adoption that leads to digital growth. I also believe they can be deployed from a financial health, a financial well being a financial coaching perspective because that is another area that we've been focused around over here. You know, we've got all of this data available we probably know are account holders, personal lives spending habits, spending behaviors better than they know themselves...

...because a lot of spending is subconscious were not even aware of what we're doing at the time of purchase. Some I mean even even for example, like the Starbucks Cup, you know, Starbucks has made it so easy to to they've eliminated the barrier of transaction and have gamified it on their end to where you get the little stars and you get the cup of coffee and whatnot. But taking a proactive stance would also create value for account holders and as a result create value for the financial brand here. What do you think about training when you think about education in financial services? What is a commonly held belief that others might have that you just disagree with? I don't know if it's a belief others have, but I think that it is a huge failure that our education system produces kids who know oceans about english literature or whatever and very little about how to manage their personal finances. I think it's a tremendous failure combine that with the fact that many of them are coming out of school with enormous debt, yet no understanding of how to manage that. So I think the maybe the myth is that we're all capable of handling our own finances, but I think the truth of the matter is we aren't, and we need to educate people and there's lots of great tech out there that's helping enrich the banking experience, like the guys that moving are doing that, there's a number of other technologies that are trying to help you understand that. And I think that's a great service. You imagine a situation where your financial institution is able to look at, okay, here's the size of your debt, here's your financial picture. So here's reasonably what you can afford as a home or has a car or for whatever the things you want. Typically you go in, you ask for a mortgage, they get your information, they say you don't qualify, you qualify for this much of a mortgage, but there's no back story, Right? You know, so you're like, I can't afford the house, I want a damn. But it would sure be nice to be saying, well, here's how it all maps out. Yes. And you know, here's some of the changes you could make. If you want to say, I'm not going to drive an $80,000 car, then that's going to put you into a house. It's a little bit bigger if that's where your values lie. But I think that financial literacy and find it into that leads to financial wellness has been a missing part of the equation for a long time. You know, it's funny you mention that and I agree, I see that I go and volunteer in schools and I bring, you know, an entrepreneurial perspective as part of like career day and that just alone is a whole new area. There's research coming out now that is showing financial literacy by itself without context, without coaching is actually doing more harm than good because it creates a pseudo sense of confidence. Like, oh, I read this article or I, you know, watch this video so I know about...

X, Y or Z, and that's not the reality, and people are getting themselves into trouble because it's pseudo confidence and I think health care is a great analogy, it's like, you can go to google and you can google your symptoms and misdiagnosed yourself, that's why you still end up at the doctor, even though you freak yourself out with all of your possible symptoms and diagnosis, you want to go in. I really believe the same is true, and we're seeing that on the health side. Like, for example, the app noon new muses psychology to build new habits and to crush goals. It helps people stop dieting, to get lifelong results. And people have really transformed their life by an app, and it helps to create that accountability measure. But I truly believe being held accountable by another human being that is then supported further by technology. That's where the biggest opportunity is for growth, john this has been a fantastic conversation. I got one last question for you here because I always like to end and send the dear listener off with something very practical, very specific. Because as we've been talking about all transformation begins with a small micro step, small micro commitment ford. What is that one thing that they can think about, number one and number two apply to begin to make progress on their journey here today. I think for me from my where I come from, it's to put a deliberate focus on the human side of the digital transformation journey and that human focus extends from not just you know, the people developing your tech, it's making sure that you support every person who is going to be expected to either promote or use that technology. And if you can nail their experience, nail the frontline experience, nailed the customer, remember experience your digital transformation, odds of success have gone up dramatically. And so again I go back to the analogy, the human side is that last leg of the race Put some focus there, just like the four x 100 team does and put your fastest runner there because that's what's going to bring it home. Yeah. Put people at the center of all of your thinking, all of your doing and not just people externally. I really believe the E. X. Has to proceed the C. X. The employee experience has to proceed the customer experience. And there was an article in Forbes that mentioned that and I think about frontline here because this was what they were looking at, that individuals become comfortable with a set of routines and in many cases resist change. In fact, in an analysis of several surveys that totaled 100,000 responses, Only 22% of front line...

...employees surveyed Like to leave their comfort zone. Put another way, 78% of front line employees, please don't move my cheese. And if we're going to move their cheese, we can do it. And a fun, educational, engaging n game ified way that goes beyond the traditional LMS or the pdf and really creates positive behaviors that are linked to positive emotions through Gamification. That's awesome. Can I tell one quick story to finish up? Absolutely. Prior to this business, I was a software trainer. So I trained middle management and up to use S. A. P. And this was back in the last century showing my gizzard. Um But it was awful. It was uh I was an instructor led training guy. I'd go in with a power point slide and tell them about S. A. P. And how it worked. Everybody in the room hated it. And they were largely distracted when on those days on their Blackberrys and one day I had an idea I decided I asked if I could have two computers in the room because they didn't have computers in the room back then and just broke them into two teams and said, look I'm gonna help you do a transaction on a system task on on S. A. P. And I'm here to help you. But you guys figure it out. 1st 12 finish wins. Well, these people went from hating it too coming up to me after this this session going, that was that was the most fun training session we've had. And here they were touching the technology they didn't want to learn because really it was more about can they beat their colleagues? And so that's what it's about. It's about understanding that listening to me drone on about a tech they're not familiar with is a crappy human experience, but actually touching and feeling it in a little bit of competition and you've got your other colleagues helping you figure it out. It was kind of fun. Yes, absolutely. Because it changes the environment and when you transform the environment as dr Benjamin Hardy has written in his book, Willpower doesn't work. If we want to create consistent change and transformation that sticks, we sometimes have to transform the environment because the environmental pool is simply just too strong and that's exactly what you did. It's a great story, john if anyone is listening, they have questions, they want to continue the conversation that we started today. What is the best way for them to reach out? Say hello, connect with you. Oh, hit me up on linkedin if you like. Or email me at J. Finley, which is J F I N D E L A Y at lemonade, L X P dot com. Yeah, hit me up. I'm happy to chat. Happy to answer any questions. Yeah, connect with john learned from john john thank you so...

...much for joining me on another episode of Banking on digital growth James robert. Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it as always. And until next time be well. Do good and make your bed. Thank you for listening to another episode of Banking on digital growth with James robert. Ley. Like what you hear, tell a friend about the podcast and leave us a review on apple podcasts, google podcasts or Spotify and subscribe while you're there. To get even more practical improvement insights, visit www dot digital growth dot com to grab a preview of James, roberts, best selling book banking on digital growth or order a copy right now for you and your team from amazon inside you'll find a strategic marketing and sales blueprint framed around 12 key areas of focus that empower you to confidently generate 10 times more loans and deposits until next time, be well and do good.

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